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Greg
03-23-2006, 04:19 PM
It seems google (http://www.google.com/) may be doing something to help themselves from many webmaster discussions. The first three pages of search results, more according to some accounts, are always pages that are MFA (made for adsense) and loaded with questionable links in some experiences these days.

It is being discussed on many forums how the results from google are seeming more and more sales related rather then content related of late. There are a few threads on http://forums.digitalpoint.com to back this theory too. Kids are making the observation in some cases!

Plus the resulting sites seem to advertise on adwords. It appears to some to be some sort of google adsense (https://www.google.com/adsense/)/adwords (https://adwords.google.com/select/) bubble that if these sites pulled out, the money would stop flowing in a circle back to google. Thus affecting the adsense numbers adversely and revealing the real worth of the two programs.

Some think the google adsense/adwords program is inflated just like the fake bubble in the stock market many analysts have pointed out and don't think it is a coincidence. It seems some corporations are so rich these days, that they can manipulate themselves into looking attractive. But it's just like the fat girl in the gurdle, eventually, she busts out and you see the real her.

If this is not the case, a very good argument that too many MFA sites are in the top positions of the google SERPs can be made from the discussions. This seems to point to profit being more important then quality content. What solidifies the theory is that these sites are usually in adsense and adwords. Is this a coincidence or intentional becomes the question then. But the algo is a secret. Notice that your adsense cut is a secret too?

Some still can't figure out why we as businessmen accept this contract with google adsense. If we actually sat accross a table from a man saying, you work and I'll give you cut of the profit. But I make up the cut percentage as I go along and never tell you how I calcualte it. Would you sign up? Well if you are in adsense, that is what you agreed to it seems.

Oh and by the way, don't discuss your earnings, in detail, with other adsense vendors or in public or you will be cut off. That all sounds like things that at the board room table, we would run from. But in desparation, struggling webmasters sign up to this contract in masses. I'm sure there are other programs with the same contract arrangements and they too should be given a second look for common sense.

Some think it is a very suspicious observation and hope the word spreads. Anyone can see it that knows what we are talking about. Most think it's wrong.

Could it be unethical? I'm not making an accusation, just an observation of what many others have been speaking about. Time will tell. I hope it's just a bad perception. But with adsense earnings reports off 50% for most in the last 4 months or so, something is up.

AnthonyCea
03-25-2006, 11:44 AM
My friend this has been going on since 2003, most webmasters are afraid to comment on it out of fear of being banned, there is nothing we can do about it, I walked this lonely road you are on in 2004 and I can tell you it is not one you want to go down!

Just go with the flow, the water is too fast to swim against, let the marketplace sort it out, your job is to take advantage of the markets and exploit them to the best of your ability so you can profit from them!

Take my word for it on this one, I was the first to fight this battle, I got some changes to take place but the general big picture is still the same today as it was in 2004 :)

Greg
03-25-2006, 12:17 PM
As I said, the article is based on various forum posts, not personal experience, just observations.

I'm not going to bat for either side. I'm just putting together a few conversations that add up to a common denominator. I have no idea which side of the issuse is the right side.

As I said, it may be a perception issue at this time based on the cited forum threads I observed. I'm looking for answers, not giving them.

AnthonyCea
03-25-2006, 04:50 PM
There is no answer other than Google is a for profit company, the Search Result Pages are their product and they can do what the wish with them to garner the largest amount of profit for their shareholders!

You have to make as much as you can from the system the way it is today or the way it may happen to exist in the future!

That is the answer, do what you have to do to profit, take care of yourself and your sites! :)

Greg
03-27-2006, 11:27 AM
That is the answer, do what you have to do to profit, take care of yourself and your sites! :)

Interesting , does that include; "Do no evil"?

AnthonyCea
03-27-2006, 11:41 AM
Well, that is just a slogan, you do what you have to do to fight evil (Microsoft) Bill Gates has prevented pre-loads of Linux with the threat against all computer makers of taking their Windows licenses away!

So Google is doing what they have to do to keep from getting crushed as Netscape did, if people want to call it evil that is their right! :)

You need big money to compete against big money Noppid, maybe me and you get together one day and raise some so we can compete in the market place too!

Greg
03-27-2006, 05:15 PM
I find your posts creating some pretty funny irony and hypocracy.

It's a funny world out there.

AnthonyCea
03-28-2006, 09:09 PM
I find your posts creating some pretty funny irony and hypocrisy.

It's a funny world out there.

I'm glad I make you happy by giving you a laugh once in a while, but I am dead serious about what I say most of the time :)

Now when you are ready to make some money, get hold of me when you have the time!

Greg
03-28-2006, 09:29 PM
Aways enjoy your rantings. I can always count on you for a comment on my rantings as well.

Make money? I'm too busy trying to make money to stop and try and make more. :D

Zero Tolerance
03-28-2006, 09:33 PM
Money is only for those who dont have any!

LMAO :D

AnthonyCea
03-28-2006, 10:19 PM
I have lost more millions than you guys will ever make!

Zero Tolerance
03-29-2006, 08:17 AM
And I have forgotten more things than you will ever learn!

:D :D :D :D

Greg
03-29-2006, 02:23 PM
Well Anthony, it looks like this is a concern to google as well and my article was good news.


Q: ***8220;What about the problem of directories and shopping comparison spam overriding real pages?***8221;
A: Fair feedback. I heard that recently from a Googler, too. Sometimes we think of spam as strictly things like hidden text, cloaking, etc. But users think of spam as noise: things that they don***8217;t want. If they***8217;re trying to get information, fix a problem, read reviews, etc., then sites that like aren***8217;t as helpful.
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/q-a-thread-march-27-2006/


This comfirms the concerns I observed in this article, Google SERPs: For Profit Infusion or Content Delivery? (http://www.cpurigs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2695), are a reality. It's good to see that google is giving it just consideration. If that consideration has a positive affect, that will be even better!

AnthonyCea
03-30-2006, 02:46 AM
Google can drive traffic to where they will, in addition if a greater cross section of non relevant sites are in the SERP's that helps them sell ADWORDS!

The game has not changed, it just looks different than it did in 2003 when this all started :)

Don't get your hopes up high that Cheney will reduce the cost of gas anytime soon either!

Greg
03-30-2006, 10:52 AM
Google can drive traffic to where they will, in addition if a greater cross section of non relevant sites are in the SERP's that helps them sell ADWORDS!

The game has not changed, it just looks different than it did in 2003 when this all started :)

Don't get your hopes up high that Cheney will reduce the cost of gas anytime soon either!


They can do what they want. But with even children pointing out their search returns suck and Matt Cutts saying it's a fair question, they know they are doing it and they know it is not acceptable to the kids that will spend mom and dads money which they want. So they will react properly.

If they don't, the next generation of internet spenders is poised to ignore google in their quest for information and that will spill over into their shopping habits and searches as well.

The kids have warned google, we aint supporting or using you if that's the crap you are going to deliver for me. I expect google to make a smarter reaction then your post suggests.

AnthonyCea
03-30-2006, 11:10 AM
Yes, but I tried to fight the "war for that is right" already, they removed my site from the SERP's for it too!

So what I am saying to you for your own good is not to become a "poor hero", because it is real easy for them to make you one! :)

I am telling you that I have been down this road already and my site has not been added back to the indexes to where it was when I started my complaining for justice, so the crusade is not worth it for you personally!

Greg
03-30-2006, 12:13 PM
Yes, but I tried to fight the "war for that is right" already, they removed my site from the SERP's for it too!

So what I am saying to you for your own good is not to become a "poor hero", because it is real easy for them to make you one! :)

I am telling you that I have been down this road already and my site has not been added back to the indexes to where it was when I started my complaining for justice, so the crusade is not worth it for you personally!

I'm not fighting a war. I don't think anyone is.

My perception of the situation, based on the post by Matt Cutts, is that google is willing to look at the issue and considers it a fair concern. That to me also says they will give it a fair look and suggests they may look for ways to bring balance and improve. That's all sounds positive to me.

How that could hurt me is beyond my perception.

AnthonyCea
03-30-2006, 12:48 PM
The bottom line is that we have to deal with the powers that be, if Google is that power we need to work the best we can with it so we are not crushed by it!

That is what I had to learn the hard way, they control a lot of this business and we are bit players that have to go with the flow in most cases!

We have to use tools as they exist and get the maximum benefit from them to our sites so we can make a living, that is what we should be shooting for, an understanding of how we can take advantage of these tools should be our goal :)

Greg
03-30-2006, 01:14 PM
I have no idea where you get the idea google is out to crush anyone. Again, I have to point out, Matt Cutt's reply indicates that the company is aware of the issue and will look into it. There is no indication that those that complained or pointed out the anomoly are going to be penalized.

I think it also proves that Google will work with publisher's concerns and that we do not have to just "work with it" as you state.

AnthonyCea
03-30-2006, 01:45 PM
What Google says and what Google does are two different things, you will learn that if you study Google! :)

They don't tell you how they determine SERP's, do they?

Google does not tell you in advance if they are going to take out linking schemes (link farms and automated backlink programs), they just do it!